During the official opening of Gaggenau’s largest European flagship in the Netherlands last week, a group of designers gathered to discuss the state of play in the industry.

Frame magazine’s Editor-in-Chief Robert Thiemann chaired a battle of the borders in a group design discussion at Gaggenau’s Hoofddorp showroom. The German team comprised Gaggenau’s Head of Design, Sven Baacke, and architect Hendrik Müller of eins:33, the firm responsible for the design of the kitchen brand’s showrooms. Representing the Dutch were Tjep.’s Frank Tjepkema, and Jaspar Jansen and Jeroen Dellensen of i29.

Thiemann introduced Dutch design as ‘playful, colourful and bespoke,’ compared with ‘sober, mass-produced and sophisticated’ German design.

In a film of highlights from the discussion, hear what the panel had to say about this theory and how they think the two nations could learn from each another in design. The participants also discuss the future of the kitchen, and whether it necessitates new design concepts.